[FCHSM] RESEARCHING new lines

[James P. LaLone]

Got a copy of the article on the LONGUEVAL ancestry back into the nobility and royalty and having a great time. Has anyone been doing research on this yet?  I have a lot of questions, but right now I am interested in one in particular as it is interesting, scandalous, etc.  So here's the question:

 

It is through Marguerite de BARBANÇON's line.  It seems that a Marie d'ENGHIEN aka Mariette aka Yolande was married 1389 to Aubert le FLAMENC, seigneur de Canny et de Varenne, conseiller et chambellan de Charles d'Orléans, son of Raoul le FLAMENC & Marie de CLERMONT (or de NESLE).

 

Now Marie is given in some sources as a separate person from Yolande who is also shown with the "dite" Mariette.  So are these one and the same person or not?  Also they are generally shown as daughters of Jacques d'ENGHIEN & wife Marie de ROUCY.  However, a source that uses Mariette & Yolande indicates the parents are Jacques d'ENGHIEN & Jacquelines de ST. AUBERT.  So here is another problem, are the two Jacques the same person & he was married twice (which none of the sources I've looked at indicate) or are there two different couples being mixed up?

 

The reason why this is so interesting is that Marie aka Mariette aka Yolande was a mistress of Louis de FRANCE (1372-1407), duc d'Orléans and they had a son Jean d'Orléans dit "le bâtard d'Orléans", then dit Jean de Dunois.

 

Anyway, Marie & Aubert had a daughter Jeanne le FLAMENC who married Jean III of BARBANCON-JEUMONT and it is through line that Marguerite descends.



Thanks, Jim.
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